Two Rudolf Muellers Born on the Same Day in the Same Year in the Same Place – What? – 52 Ancestors #335

Severely – solely me. This is able to solely occur to me. And I assumed three Michael Kirsch’s residing in the identical village have been dangerous.

We’ve been following Rudolph Muller’s life the place we discovered him as an grownup in Grossheppach, Germany.

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Within the Grossheppach information, cousin Wolfram in his one-place research of Grossheppach had found data indicating that Rudolph was from Switzerland, and extra particularly, Stein am Rhein.

Wolfram additionally found a notation that Margretha, Rudolph’s spouse, was from Kanton Zurich.

They have been naturalized in 1662 and have become residents of Grossheppach.

In fact, this left us with many questions and solely breadcrumbs reaching again to Switzerland.


The knowledge within the Grossheppach information was recorded a few years later. As genealogists, we’re all accustomed to official information that comprise incorrect data. I can’t even start to inform you what number of rabbit holes I’ve been down with these.

So, was Rudolph and Margretha’s data appropriate? If that’s the case, what extra can we uncover? Canton Zurich is a giant place. Why was there no extra particular data?

Earlier than we proceed to unravel this unbelievable puzzle, I must thank a number of individuals, with out whom this might NEVER have been solved:

  • My cousin, Tom
  • My cousin, Pam
  • My cousin, Wolfram
  • My village cousin, Chris (I’ll clarify about village cousins in a separate article.)
  • Henry, the Stein am Rhein historian

And for the report, solely Wolfram is said on this specific line. I’m simply blessed with educated and beneficiant cousins.

I’ve tried to provide applicable credit score the place credit score is due, however there have been in all probability 100 emails flying backwards and forwards, so if I’ve omitted or confused credit score for one thing, I simply apologize prematurely. In some circumstances, two individuals discovered the identical factor about the identical time as a result of they’re simply that good!

We additionally unraveled extra details about Margretha, Rudolph’s spouse throughout this identical alternate, however that should wait.

At first, it appeared like there wasn’t a lot of a thriller.

Well-known final phrases…

It Appears Like Tom Solved the Riddle

From Tom:

I found a baptism of a Rudolf Muller, son of Jacob Muller and Ursula Muller on 8 Feb 1629 in Stein am Rhein Evangelical Church.

Scorching diggity Tom. Nice discover. Rudolph Muller was born on February 22, 1629. From the Grossheppach information, we thought he was born about 1630 so this suits completely.

I despatched this on to cousin Wolfram who speaks German as his native language.

From Wolfram:

The place is the baptism from?

I can translate for you the 4th entry incl. headlines. It’s clearly readable:

Getauffte Kinder, im Jahr  // baptized youngsters within the 12 months

    1. DC. XXIX. I/ 1629

Monat und tag deß empfangenen Tauffs. / Namen. / Vatter. / Mutter. / Tester. //  Month and day of the baptism / Names. / Father. / Mom. / Godfather(&-mother)

    1. / Febr. / Rudloph. / Jacob Müller. / Ursula Müller. / H. Benedict Gulding[er]: Ellisabeth Win(t)zin. // this I shouldn’t have to translate 😉 However what is evident, the surename of the mom Ursula was additionally Müller. So her Father was “Müller”.

So, if that is the baptism report of Stein am Rhein, then it seems actually fairly good! As lengthy there are not any different Rudolph Müller on this ebook, both earlier than (then the mother and father must be checked or a later report Rudolph Müller (1640 newest).

Sure, we certainly do must verify for one more child by the identical identify, however what are the probabilities? Rudolph isn’t a very frequent identify. Plus, it’s not even preceded by Johann, so it’s much more distinctive.

It does trouble me a bit that within the Grossheppach information, he’s talked about, a minimum of in some circumstances, as Johann Rudolph Muller. However not a lot. Typically males have been referred to as by their center identify all through their life, and naturally, Muller and Mueller have been interchangeable. Johann s the official first identify of in all probability 90% of the German infants born throughout this timeframe, so he would have been referred to as by his center identify. Even when his first identify wasn’t truly Johann, the individuals in Grossheppach would possibly properly have assumed that it was.

A Marriage

Within the meantime, Tom unearthed extra:

I discovered a 1616 marriage additionally for this particular person’s mother and father.

Jacob Muller from Turbenthal

Ursula Muller from Nussbaumen

7 July 1616 in Stein am Rhein

I’ve gathered the household group: Jacob Muller and Ursula Muller, their marriage and the baptisms of their youngsters.  There isn’t a additional proof that they stayed in Stein am Rhein.

Maybe all of them relocated to Germany.

If that is your crew, I’ll translate them for you.  Let me know what you assume at your comfort.  Thrilling although!

I’m was pleased, basking in household found, and I’d stay pleased for a couple of hours, proper up till I checked my e-mail once more.

Pam’s Discovery

Cousin Pam who studied abroad was looking on the identical time and located a transcribed record in a German native household ebook about Stein am Rhein. Native historians usually volunteer their time to create these paperwork. Bless their generosity is all I can say.

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Rudolf Mueller born on February 22, 1629. That’s great, confirmed Tom’s work, and would save Tom from translating these youngsters’s information.

However then, Pam discovered another record from the identical place that appeared promising.

Hans (brief for Johann) Rudolf Mueller.

Wait? What?

This isn’t the identical household that Tom discovered?

This Johann Rudolph Mueller was born and baptized on Might 22, 1629, in Stein am Rhein to totally different mother and father.


We actually do have two infants by practically the identical identify, in the identical place, born three months aside – identical to Wolfram talked about. Is he psychic?

How is that this even doable?


I skipped the hiccup which made this example much more complicated.

The unique information that Pam discovered confirmed the 2 infants born on the identical day, however attributed to totally different mother and father. It gave the impression to be an faulty entry within the household ebook, however because it turned out, the error was within the baptism date, not the report itself.

Sure, there have been truly two infants born with the identical or very related names to 2 Muller/Mueller households.

I’m solely displaying the proper information right here as a result of I don’t wish to confuse anybody else.

Belief me, we have been very confused and so was the historian, Henry, who had compiled the web site. He was type sufficient to return and verify the unique information.

In fact, since Tom had discovered the wedding of the mother and father Jacob Mueller and Ursula Mueller, I made the logical deduction that was the proper entry, and the entry for George Mueller and Magdalena Schnewlin was in error.

Wolfram Finds the Second Baptism

Because it seems, there WERE two infants by the identical identify, baptized in the identical place, they usually have been each in that unique report on the identical web page within the church ebook. Wolfram noticed it.

O.Ok. That is now actually troublesome and I’m not positive, if we will certainly say who was our Ancestor Johann Rudolph as a result of the opposite baptism is under in line 13. With the mother and father Jörg Müller and Magdalena. That is actually a pity. Moreover based on the net household ebook neither the one nor the opposite has married. So for a definition there can be a marriage-record wanted or some paperwork of native authorities which exhibits who has moved (if one thing like that is obtainable in any respect…)


Tom concurred. Discovering the wedding doc of Rudolph Mueller or Hans Rudolph Mueller or Muller to Margretha/ Margaretha no matter her final identify was can be essential to find out which child was our Rudolph Muller. Or was both child our child?

Now, I’m doubting all the things.

The Census

From Wolfram:

I can’t get this subject out of my head. I checked the net household ebook of Stein am Rhein once more. Henry Straub, who created the ebook included sources for the information. And on the web page of the one Hans Rudolph Müller who was born in Might 1629 (father: Georg Müller) he famous a “Bevölkerungsverzeichnis” as a supply for the baptism, which is mainly a CENSUS. And never just one however three. As I learn appropriately they’re from 1634, 1637 and 1640. This supply has not been famous with the one which was born in February 1629 (father: Jakob Müller). That signifies for me, this second one was not alive anymore even there’s a minor choice, that this household has moved away after 1630. So the chance appears to be excessive, that the first-mentioned (born in Might and father Georg Müller) is the Johann Rudoph Müller we’re looking for.

I feel it’s worthwhile and I’ll get in touch with Henry, the Stein am Rhein historian, and ask about his opinion. And I feel he can be pleased to have one other connection exterior of Stein am Rhein.

Henry Digs Deeper and Hits Paydirt

Henry, the historian replied to my e-mail asking concerning the twin entries displaying each child Rudolph’s born on the identical day.

Expensive Roberta,

Plainly I made a severe mistake: there is just one Hans Rudolf Mueller (Müller) born/baptized in Stein am Rhein Might 22, 1629, to Georg (Jörg) Mueller and Magdalena.

Thus far I cannot say what went unsuitable (and would possibly by no means discover out).

There have been two Rudolf Müller born in 1629 one “Rudolf” bapt. February twenty second and the “Hans Rudolf” bapt. Might twenty second. The error was that I made a unsuitable connection to the mother and father.

The household of Jakob Müller and Ursula Müller apparently left Stein am Rhein, they weren’t registered within the census of 1634.

The 1634 Census

Henry offered the census report data.

Vital different sources for Stein am Rhein exist, a form of early census, constituted of 1634 until 1702. Georg (Jörg) Müller, his spouse and kids (nonetheless alive and never but married) have been final recorded in 1643:

“Das Dorf (hamlet, village) Hemishoffen

Nr. 8 Jörg Müller H
Hans – dienend
Magdalena Schnewli
Christen  –  dienend
Rudolf –  dienend

«dienend» signifies that they weren’t residing any longer within the family of their mother and father. With different phrases that their mother and father had solely a small farm and couldn’t feed a bigger household. The next census (1650) solely incorporates the lately wed Hans Müller, his spouse Anna Fischer(in) and their little one Margret (1 12 months outdated).

Oh, that is heartbreaking. I can’t assist however surprise what occurred to Rudolph’s mother and father and the place he lived. Who raised these youngsters? The place did they go?

There are not any additional information in Stein am Rhein regarding Jörg Müller and any of his 3 different youngsters.

Emigration (or immigration) weren’t all the time a one-step transfer; if nothing essential (beginning, marriage, or dying) occurred, no information have been made. Sadly shortly after the 30 years’ conflict (1618-1648) in most of the parishes in Germany information weren’t saved or the precision is lacking. Generally additionally the brand new arrivals most popular to not reveal a lot about their previous.

In case you prefer to have copies of the unique information, please let me know, I recorded many paperwork with a digital digicam.


And, in fact, all if that is taking place because the Thirty Years Battle raged all through Europe. It’s wonderful that there WAS a 1643 census AND that it nonetheless exists, together with church information from that timeframe.


Jorg, brief for George, lived in home quantity 8 in Hemishoften, actually, proper subsequent door to Stein am Rhein on the Rhine River.

The outdated buildings in Hemishofen are well-preserved at the moment.

Hemishoften was in all probability only a broad spot within the highway paralleling the Rhine, then as now.

This little hamlet is simply too small to have its personal church, so the individuals who lived there would have traveled the mile or so to the church in Stein am Rhein.

At the moment, these properties would have been the “low-cost seats,” partly as a result of they have been exterior of the town partitions the place no safety was afforded the residents. Any marauding troopers approaching on the Rhine would have made fast pickings of remoted farmers with no safety.

It stands to motive that in the event that they have been already poor, and one thing occurred, Jorg and Magdalena wouldn’t be capable of assist their youngsters. However is that this the correct household?

Or, was our Rudolph the son of Jacob and Ursula?

Jacob Muller and Ursula Muller’s Household

Tom made me giggle together with his subsequent remark.

The one “saving grace” when you can name it that, is that when you discover nothing else, it should make one other attention-grabbing story.  THIS IS REALITY GENEALOGY AT ITS BEST!

Is that ever an understatement. How do you inform a brilliant complicated story with out it being tremendous complicated?

Tom was already on this, unraveling the threads.

I discussed yesterday that I gathered all the information for the household: Jacob Muller & Ursula Muller.

The baptism of Anna Muller in 1622 signifies that Jacob Muller was then residing in Biberach. An essential level.

The dying of Rudolf Muller, son of Jacob Muller of Biberach on 24 Might 1629 (the 12 months labeled the Pest 12 months), solves your downside.

Your Rudolf would appear to be this family: Georg Muller & Magdalena Schnewlin

Certainly, Tom solved this puzzle. Provided that Jacob’s son, Rudolph died in 1629, 5 days earlier than our Rudolph was born again in Stein am Rhein – our Rudolph should be Johann Rudolph Mueller, the son of George Muller and Magdalena Schnewlin. The couple residing in Hemishofen in 1643, with out their youngsters.

Stein am Rhein

Now that we’ve confirmed that our Rudolph was certainly born ar a minimum of baptized in Stein am Rhein, let’s bask for a minute in the great thing about this village on the Rhine River, positioned on the border between Switzerland and Germany.

Rudolph would have walked these very streets and seen these precise buildings as he grew up.

In accordance with Wikipedia, in or about 1007, Stein am Rhein was a sleepy fishing village on the Rhine River. Nonetheless, it occupied a strategic location the place main highway and river routes intersected. Emperor Henry II moved St. George’s Abbey to this location and granted the abbots intensive rights over the village and its commerce in order that they might develop it commercially.

This endeavor was fairly profitable. Throughout the Reformation, the abbey was taken over by Zurich. At this time, the abbey, 3 church buildings, the fortress, metropolis partitions, tower, and gate together with many historic buildings stay and are extraordinarily properly cared for.

By JoachimKohlerBremen – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

By JoachimKohler-HB – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

Rudolph’s ancestors could have lived on this village someplace. It’s truly very uncommon that they lived within the countryside, particularly through the conflict. Folks have been both retailers or farmers. German and Swiss farmers lived inside the town wall and tended their fields exterior. Town partitions offered safety from invaders.

To a poor peasant boy who in all probability seldom received to city, Stein am Rhein would have been a classy metropolis and stuffed with magic. I can’t assist however view this by means of the eyes of an awed little one as he entered by means of the town gate, above.

By JoachimKohler-HB – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

The attractive city corridor.

By JoachimKohler-HB – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

These frescoes are unique. Think about what they appeared like when Rudolph visited these retailers.

By JoachimKohler-HB – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

By JoachimKohler-HB – Personal work, CC BY-SA 4.0,

I supposed it goes with out saying that I desperately wish to go to Stein am Rhein. In fact, I say that about all the places the place my ancestors lived.

You may take pleasure in more photos, here.

By Hansueli Krapf – Personal work, CC BY-SA 3.0,

The Rhine passes the quaint village of Stein am Rhein, offering lifeblood. However Rudolph wouldn’t have sailed away on the Rhine River. As an alternative, he would have struck out overland for Grossheppach and a brand new life.



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